tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post3630029433570593102..comments2024-03-28T12:59:05.739-07:00Comments on Iron Tongue of Midnight: Pulitzer Prizes, 2008 (III)Lisa Hirschhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14014924958428072675noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-14448221486290080802008-04-10T18:21:00.000-07:002008-04-10T18:21:00.000-07:00The American Grawemeyer Award winner composers ove...The American Grawemeyer Award winner composers overlap a bit with the Pulitzers, but not the partcular works: Kernis, Corigliano, Adams, Husa (a composer I've never heard). I ought to investigate who serves on the Grawemeyer juries.<BR/><BR/>Miles K. - served seven times. The second row is wrong and I'll remove it.Lisa Hirschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014924958428072675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-23939427984582112462008-04-10T09:53:00.000-07:002008-04-10T09:53:00.000-07:00To be fair, the Grawemeyer is open to everybody, n...<I>To be fair, the Grawemeyer is open to everybody, not just American composers, so it's a lot easier for them to pick a piece of music that everybody can look back on 20 years later and say, "Ah! Masterpiece!"</I><BR/><BR/>Like I did? :-)Henry Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15871451112170286316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-39289108264955988492008-04-10T07:32:00.000-07:002008-04-10T07:32:00.000-07:00To be fair, the Grawemeyer is open to everybody, n...To be fair, the Grawemeyer is open to everybody, not just American composers, so it's a lot easier for them to pick a piece of music that everybody can look back on 20 years later and say, "Ah! Masterpiece!" Obviously Boulez, Saariaho, Birtwistle, Ligeti, Lutoslawski, et al would never be eligible for a Pulitzer.<BR/><BR/>That said, it is a little shameful that Tower, Corigliano, Adams, and Currier should ALL be awarded the Grawemeyer before the Pulitzer committee got around to selecting them...Dan Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02379073869436839786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-88685792475202067712008-04-09T19:08:00.000-07:002008-04-09T19:08:00.000-07:00I agree about the Grawemeyer Award. That Miles Kas...I agree about the Grawemeyer Award. <BR/><BR/>That Miles Kastendieck thing is an error of some kind, undoubtedly mine. I will investigate and correct it.<BR/><BR/>He was, I believe, a music critic.Lisa Hirschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014924958428072675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-9752668825635283812008-04-09T18:58:00.000-07:002008-04-09T18:58:00.000-07:00That's an interesting table. I had to look up a fe...That's an interesting table. I had to look up a few names, like the top man Chalmers Clifton . BTW, Miles Kastendieck (another unknown) is listed twice, one for 7 times and another for 3. <BR/><BR/>I'd also have to agree that Henry's list of Grawemeyer Award winners looks more impressive when stacked up against the Pulitzers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-30840013224404179332008-04-09T15:59:00.000-07:002008-04-09T15:59:00.000-07:00Empiricus, I knew I shouldn't have clicked on your...Empiricus, I knew I shouldn't have clicked on your link. Anyone have some brain bleach handy? Even after all these years, I still can't believe that Swed was who the Times chose to replace Martin Bernheimer, who's been on 3 panels.<BR/><BR/>In any case, the Pulitzer for music doesn't rate at all, in my view. It's the Grawemeyer Award that counts, I'd say. Look at this list of past winners:<BR/><BR/>2007 Currier: Static<BR/>2006 Kurtág: Concertante Op. 42<BR/>2005 Tsontakis: Violin Concerto #2<BR/>2004 Chin: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra<BR/>2003 Saariaho: L`amour de loin [GREAT opera]<BR/>2002 Kernis: Colored Field<BR/>2001 Boulez: Sur Incises [Woo hoo! Boulez!]<BR/>2000 Ades: Asyla<BR/>1999 Not Awarded<BR/>1998 Tan Dun: Marco Polo [Ewww]<BR/>1997 Bainbridge: Ad Ora Incerta 1996 Tcherepnin: Double Concerto for Violin, Cello and Orchestra<BR/>1995 Adams: Violin Concerto [Ewww]<BR/>1994 Takemitsu: Fantasma/Cantos for Clarinet and Orchestra<BR/>1993 Husa: Concerto for Violoncello and Orchestra<BR/>1992 Penderecki: Adagio for Large Orchestra<BR/>1991 Corigliano: Symphony No. 1<BR/>1990 Tower: Silver Ladders<BR/>1989 Ung: Inner Voices<BR/>1988 Not Awarded<BR/>1987 Birtwistle: The Mask of Orpheus [Amazing opera]<BR/>1986 Ligeti: Etudes for Piano [brilliant pieces]<BR/>1985 Lutoslawski: Symphony No. 3 [fantastic piece]<BR/><BR/>That's some amazing music there, from men *and* women, European and American and Asian, serialist and tonal (sort of!)Henry Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15871451112170286316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-22888404684593145962008-04-09T12:25:00.000-07:002008-04-09T12:25:00.000-07:00You're correct, of course. Mea culpa.You're correct, of course. Mea culpa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-44146461144727743382008-04-09T10:18:00.000-07:002008-04-09T10:18:00.000-07:00It's inclusive of this year, and Schaefer did not ...It's inclusive of this year, and Schaefer did not serve on this year's music jury. The Pulitzer web site lists Monson, Dwight Andrews, Steven Blier, Tim Page, and Steven Stucky.Lisa Hirschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014924958428072675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-48669782751577422102008-04-09T06:11:00.000-07:002008-04-09T06:11:00.000-07:00Lisa, I can't figure out whether this is inclusive...Lisa, I can't figure out whether this is inclusive of this year's panel. I know that John Schaefer served this year, but he was also part of last year's Ornette Coleman imbroglio.<BR/><BR/>That last bit would be an excellent band name, no? "The Ornette Coleman Imbroglio, live at (fill in the blank)!"<BR/><BR/>Ingrid Monson was on both of those committees, too -- so does this imply she served a third time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-54140948588971250052008-04-08T19:14:00.000-07:002008-04-08T19:14:00.000-07:00My sloppy editing of the file I had to work with.My sloppy editing of the file I had to work with.Lisa Hirschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014924958428072675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-32083558205709313012008-04-08T19:11:00.000-07:002008-04-08T19:11:00.000-07:00How come some of the composers have "composer" aft...How come some of the composers have "composer" after their names but many (Riegger, Cowell, Luening, etc etc.) don't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-85710196106188763502008-04-08T14:06:00.000-07:002008-04-08T14:06:00.000-07:00I can't answer that first question, but as to the ...I can't answer that first question, but as to the second, 2005, the year Steven Stucky's Second Concerto for Orchestra won - premiered by the LA Phil. The nominated finalists that year were <I>You Are</I> by Steve Reich and <I>Dialogues</I>, by Elliot Carter. With the Stucky, those are three rather different places on the new-music spectrum. (Carter: oldest composer ever to be dominated for a Pulitzer.)Lisa Hirschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014924958428072675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8957911.post-66313618078773264202008-04-08T13:36:00.000-07:002008-04-08T13:36:00.000-07:00Why, oh why, and when, did Mark Swed get a chance ...Why, oh why, and when, did Mark Swed get a chance to vote?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-montero18mar18,0,4974854.story" REL="nofollow">A great thinker's review</A>Empiricushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11629835829400843701noreply@blogger.com